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#1. Re: [E36M3] License Plate Holder - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:48:20 -0800 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] License Plate Holder Try Double02 Salvage in Hayward, Ca. On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:40 AM, L R wrote: > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:08:37 -0800 (PST) > From: L R <lhrc51@yahoo.com> > Subject: License Plate Holder > > I'm looking for what BMW calls a "License Plate Holder Front Bumper > Filler Center" for a '95 M3. I looked everywhere on realoem.com & I > couldn't find it. I did the same on pelican parts online & nothing. > I called them directly & they couldn't find it either (they say > that BMW doesn't list it). Anybody know the part # for this? The > regular E36 uses a different part, I know because I have it & it's > slightly different. > > TIA, > > Luis > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#2. RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Matt Bader
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:44:49 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Sorry for the cross post, but I am sure somebody has a good answer for this. I have a question regarding the dynamics of switching from a staggered wheel/tire set up to the same size wheels/tires at all four corners for the E36 M3. My 98 M3/4 has the staggered set-up of course, 235's on front, 245's on back. I believe BMW switched from the 235's on all four corners for the 95 M3 to the staggered set up on later models to dial in a bit of understeer. Is that correct? Will the car be more neutral with the same wheel/rubber all the way around? Are there any disadvantages to switching from the staggered set up? I was thinking of going with 245's all the way around since it sounds like 255's may cause some fitment hassles with some tires. Tia, Matt Bader 98 M3/4 Delaware -----Original Message----- From: bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com [mailto:bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com] On Behalf Of kkiely@tsmc.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:42 PM To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: [UUC] <E36> tire rub Anyone have experience with the Koshei's in 17x8.5 on the E36, 328? Setup is Koshei's with ET=38mm, shoes are Khomo 255/40's. He's getting rubbing at the back where the bumper sticks into the well. I haven't seen it, that's the description I'm getting. Fronts are OK with the 5mm square shoulder spacers, no spacers in back. It would seem that we can contour the FRP to get rid of the rubbing, but I'm just curious if others have run into this. -Kevin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TSMC PROPERTY This email communication (and any attachments) are confidential and/or proprietary information for the sole use of its intended recipient. Any unauthorized review, use or distribution by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this email, and then delete this email and any copies of it immediately. Thank you. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com
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#3. Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Azik [Hotmail]
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:27:35 +0100 From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Matt, As I totalled my 1994 M3 with 235 all around - I can say that this setup is too oversteery. That was also confirmed by one of the reacing drivers who tested and compared different M cars as well as two coupe's - 1994 with 235 all around and 1997 with staggered. Even with higher torque the latter model was much more neutral than 1994 M3 and didn't oversteer out of the corner as older model. I now have 1998 on standart staggered and can confirm that its neutral, mey be a bit understeery but just alittle bit. Azar, '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\ Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:44:49 -0500 > From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> > Subject: RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up > > Sorry for the cross post, but I am sure somebody has a good answer for > this. > > I have a question regarding the dynamics of switching from a staggered > wheel/tire set up to the same size wheels/tires at all four corners for > the > E36 M3. My 98 M3/4 has the staggered set-up of course, 235's on front, > 245's on back. I believe BMW switched from the 235's on all four corners > for the 95 M3 to the staggered set up on later models to dial in a bit of > understeer. Is that correct? Will the car be more neutral with the same > wheel/rubber all the way around? Are there any disadvantages to switching > from the staggered set up? I was thinking of going with 245's all the way > around since it sounds like 255's may cause some fitment hassles with some > tires. > > Tia, > > Matt Bader > 98 M3/4 > Delaware > > -----Original Message----- > From: bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com > [mailto:bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com] On Behalf Of kkiely@tsmc.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:42 PM > To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > Subject: [UUC] <E36> tire rub > > > Anyone have experience with the Koshei's in 17x8.5 on the E36, 328? Setup > is Koshei's with ET=38mm, shoes are Khomo 255/40's. He's getting rubbing > at > the back where the bumper sticks into the well. I haven't seen it, that's > the description I'm getting. Fronts are OK with the 5mm square shoulder > spacers, no spacers in back. > It would seem that we can contour the FRP to get rid of the rubbing, but > I'm just curious if others have run into this. > > > -Kevin > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > TSMC PROPERTY > > This email communication (and any attachments) are confidential and/or > > proprietary information > > for the sole use of its intended recipient. Any unauthorized review, use > or > > distribution by anyone > > other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not > > the intended recipient, please > > notify the sender by replying to this email, and then delete this email > and > > any copies of it immediately. > > Thank you. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#4. RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:20:52 -0600 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up I'm fairly certain the Stock staggered setup tires are 225 and 245, w/ 235 all around on previous non-staggered s50 M3's. The answer to your question is "it depends". Many folks run 255 on all 4 corners, fitment depends on the specific tire selected, whether all season, street, or race tires. Despite each category being 255, they tend to get wider and the shoulder more square vs rounded. There are also variations between tire manufacturer. Look up the dimension specs in inches, you'll see how different. Running 255 on M3's generally require spacers up front to clear the shock tower, and rolling the rear fenders some. Adding negative camber frt and rear also helps fitment as well....as wheels with adjusted offset works too. I'm currently running the stock ten spokes 17x8.5 with all season 255 at each corner with absolutely no spacer up front. It's a tight fit in my case and I'm at max camber rear with some fender rolling, on the front I have the strut hats switched side to side for free camber as well as the PSS9 coilover kit which may provide some additional clearance, I might be lowered about an inch too, at least up front. Handling neutral or understeer is a question of suspension mods. If still stock and ditching the non-staggered setup your handling will become more neutral:) I'm not sure but I think offering the staggered setup on the later M3's was intentionally done to make the cars more safe for us crappy American drivers :) Patrick 97 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bader [mailto:mbader@exammaster.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:50 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:44:49 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Sorry for the cross post, but I am sure somebody has a good answer for this. I have a question regarding the dynamics of switching from a staggered wheel/tire set up to the same size wheels/tires at all four corners for the E36 M3. My 98 M3/4 has the staggered set-up of course, 235's on front, 245's on back. I believe BMW switched from the 235's on all four corners for the 95 M3 to the staggered set up on later models to dial in a bit of understeer. Is that correct? Will the car be more neutral with the same wheel/rubber all the way around? Are there any disadvantages to switching from the staggered set up? I was thinking of going with 245's all the way around since it sounds like 255's may cause some fitment hassles with some tires. Tia, Matt Bader 98 M3/4 Delaware -----Original Message----- From: bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com [mailto:bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com] On Behalf Of kkiely@tsmc.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:42 PM To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: [UUC] <E36> tire rub Anyone have experience with the Koshei's in 17x8.5 on the E36, 328? Setup is Koshei's with ET=38mm, shoes are Khomo 255/40's. He's getting rubbing at the back where the bumper sticks into the well. I haven't seen it, that's the description I'm getting. Fronts are OK with the 5mm square shoulder spacers, no spacers in back. It would seem that we can contour the FRP to get rid of the rubbing, but I'm just curious if others have run into this. -Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- TSMC PROPERTY This email communication (and any attachments) are confidential and/or proprietary information for the sole use of its intended recipient. Any unauthorized review, use or distribution by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this email, and then delete this email and any copies of it immediately. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Matt Bader
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:00:14 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Thanks. My car is definitely 235 front, 245 rear. I just doubled checked, and with the stock wheels. Right now my suspension mods are simply H&R sport springs and Bilstein sport shocks. Suspension is roughly one inch lower than stock. It's like putting pieces of a puzzle together to get everything to work and fit properly! Matt Bader -----Original Message----- From: Goss, Patrick - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:21 AM To: Matt Bader; E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up I'm fairly certain the Stock staggered setup tires are 225 and 245, w/ 235 all around on previous non-staggered s50 M3's. The answer to your question is "it depends". Many folks run 255 on all 4 corners, fitment depends on the specific tire selected, whether all season, street, or race tires. Despite each category being 255, they tend to get wider and the shoulder more square vs rounded. There are also variations between tire manufacturer. Look up the dimension specs in inches, you'll see how different. Running 255 on M3's generally require spacers up front to clear the shock tower, and rolling the rear fenders some. Adding negative camber frt and rear also helps fitment as well....as wheels with adjusted offset works too. I'm currently running the stock ten spokes 17x8.5 with all season 255 at each corner with absolutely no spacer up front. It's a tight fit in my case and I'm at max camber rear with some fender rolling, on the front I have the strut hats switched side to side for free camber as well as the PSS9 coilover kit which may provide some additional clearance, I might be lowered about an inch too, at least up front. Handling neutral or understeer is a question of suspension mods. If still stock and ditching the non-staggered setup your handling will become more neutral:) I'm not sure but I think offering the staggered setup on the later M3's was intentionally done to make the cars more safe for us crappy American drivers :) Patrick 97 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bader [mailto:mbader@exammaster.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:50 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:44:49 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Sorry for the cross post, but I am sure somebody has a good answer for this. I have a question regarding the dynamics of switching from a staggered wheel/tire set up to the same size wheels/tires at all four corners for the E36 M3. My 98 M3/4 has the staggered set-up of course, 235's on front, 245's on back. I believe BMW switched from the 235's on all four corners for the 95 M3 to the staggered set up on later models to dial in a bit of understeer. Is that correct? Will the car be more neutral with the same wheel/rubber all the way around? Are there any disadvantages to switching from the staggered set up? I was thinking of going with 245's all the way around since it sounds like 255's may cause some fitment hassles with some tires. Tia, Matt Bader 98 M3/4 Delaware -----Original Message----- From: bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com [mailto:bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com] On Behalf Of kkiely@tsmc.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:42 PM To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: [UUC] <E36> tire rub Anyone have experience with the Koshei's in 17x8.5 on the E36, 328? Setup is Koshei's with ET=38mm, shoes are Khomo 255/40's. He's getting rubbing at the back where the bumper sticks into the well. I haven't seen it, that's the description I'm getting. Fronts are OK with the 5mm square shoulder spacers, no spacers in back. It would seem that we can contour the FRP to get rid of the rubbing, but I'm just curious if others have run into this. -Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- TSMC PROPERTY This email communication (and any attachments) are confidential and/or proprietary information for the sole use of its intended recipient. Any unauthorized review, use or distribution by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this email, and then delete this email and any copies of it immediately. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. Re: [E36M3] TriFlow - from Marc Plante
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:03:27 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <marcva@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] TriFlow If you're looking for Triflow, try your local bicycle shop or possibly a hardware store. Marc Plante 1997 E36 M3/4/5 82k 2007 Cervelo R3 (500 mi?) Vienna, VA
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#7. RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Vikas.Sinha@zf.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:06:48 -0500 From: <Vikas.Sinha@zf.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Matt, my own experience with going from 7.5F/8.5R LTWs to 245s on 8.5 LTWs all around is that the understeer was significantly reduced, as you'd expect. The car still pushes, but less than before (H&R OE Sport springs, Koni SA shocks, stock sways). I would say the only disadvantage is tramlining. I'm running Bridgestone RE-01Rs; they are excellent tires that do really well at the track for a street tire. However, they want to tramline, and the 245s up front seem to exacerbate that, especially as the REs have started to wear. With that said, if I had to do it again, I'd unstagger in a heartbeat. I just maybe wouldn't go with the RE-01Rs. Maybe dial back to the RE050s, I haven't decided yet. Let me emphasize that I think the RE-01Rs are great tires on their own, and they become absolutely stellar when you consider their cost. Tramlining is just a hot button for me. One last (and not insubstantial!) point: the car looks _really_ tough with 8.5s all around. :) Vik 97 M3/4 > From: Matt Bader [mailto:mbader@exammaster.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:50 AM > > I have a question regarding the dynamics of switching from > a staggered wheel/tire set up to the same size wheels/tires > at all four corners for the E36 M3.
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#8. Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from David Ngo
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:12:52 -0800 (PST) From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Patrick was right, the stock staggered setup is 225/45-17 F, 245/40-17 R. If you have 235s up front, then that is not a stock fitment, though it'll work just fine. When I moved to 245/40s all around on my '98 4-door, my goal was to reduce understeer and to allow me to rotate the tires. I was a little disappointed in how little the change reduced understeer, but I like the slightly heavier steering feel. Of course, the tire rotation is nice. It's not that there is no change at all, it's just that it is less evident than you might expect after hearing about it all over the internet. The only disadvantage that I find is that you have to be a little more conscious of tire choice, especially if you don't want to run spacers. With 10mm spacers up front, you won't run into any problems. 255s are a little trickier to fit - you'll need to roll the rear fenders, run some additional camber, and use spacers in the front, depending on the suspension and ride height you're running. IMHO, understeer in M3s is really a function of suspension changes and driving style more than tire sizes. I can still make my car with coilovers, -3.8 deg of camber in front, Eibach swaybars, and a square wheel/tire setup with R compounds understeer whenever I want. Heck, you can do that with any car, including F1 cars. It's amazing what a little well-timed trail braking and careful throttle will do. Dave ----- Original Message ---- From: Matt Bader <mbader@exammaster.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:50:09 AM Subject: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:44:49 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Sorry for the cross post, but I am sure somebody has a good answer for this. I have a question regarding the dynamics of switching from a staggered wheel/tire set up to the same size wheels/tires at all four corners for the E36 M3. My 98 M3/4 has the staggered set-up of course, 235's on front, 245's on back. I believe BMW switched from the 235's on all four corners for the 95 M3 to the staggered set up on later models to dial in a bit of understeer. Is that correct? Will the car be more neutral with the same wheel/rubber all the way around? Are there any disadvantages to switching from the staggered set up? I was thinking of going with 245's all the way around since it sounds like 255's may cause some fitment hassles with some tires. Tia, Matt Bader 98 M3/4 Delaware
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#9. RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:28:25 -0500 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Pat nailed it. Most 245s will fit fine, but some 255s will rub. Stock for the 3.2L car was 225 up front, 235 is close enough. But if you install wider wheels and 245s, the car will understeer less, and it will be easier to tune the car to your liking. I'd leave some understeer in the car, considering the amount of power you have. In your case, you probably will need a spacer up front to clear the stock spring perch on the Bilsteins. I'm running the Turner hub extender and 10mm spacer combo year round so my 255 Yoko Neovas (WIDE) on 17x9 wheels will clear the coilover struts (barely). Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bader [mailto:mbader@exammaster.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:00 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:00:14 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Thanks. My car is definitely 235 front, 245 rear. I just doubled checked, and with the stock wheels. Right now my suspension mods are simply H&R sport springs and Bilstein sport shocks. Suspension is roughly one inch lower than stock. It's like putting pieces of a puzzle together to get everything to work and fit properly! Matt Bader -----Original Message----- From: Goss, Patrick - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:21 AM To: Matt Bader; E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up I'm fairly certain the Stock staggered setup tires are 225 and 245, w/ 235 all around on previous non-staggered s50 M3's. The answer to your question is "it depends". Many folks run 255 on all 4 corners, fitment depends on the specific tire selected, whether all season, street, or race tires. Despite each category being 255, they tend to get wider and the shoulder more square vs rounded. There are also variations between tire manufacturer. Look up the dimension specs in inches, you'll see how different. Running 255 on M3's generally require spacers up front to clear the shock tower, and rolling the rear fenders some. Adding negative camber frt and rear also helps fitment as well....as wheels with adjusted offset works too. I'm currently running the stock ten spokes 17x8.5 with all season 255 at each corner with absolutely no spacer up front. It's a tight fit in my case and I'm at max camber rear with some fender rolling, on the front I have the strut hats switched side to side for free camber as well as the PSS9 coilover kit which may provide some additional clearance, I might be lowered about an inch too, at least up front. Handling neutral or understeer is a question of suspension mods. If still stock and ditching the non-staggered setup your handling will become more neutral:) I'm not sure but I think offering the staggered setup on the later M3's was intentionally done to make the cars more safe for us crappy American drivers :) Patrick 97 M3/4
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#10. RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Matt Bader
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:05:02 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Thanks everyone for the input. Not sure how I ended up with 235's on front. When I replaced the tires (I have owned the car for 2 years) the last time around, I either inadvertently ordered 235's for up front, or replaced with the same size that was on there. Strange. (I just checked my spare, which was formerly on the font of the car, and sure enough, it is 225/45. So, I must have inadvertently ordered 235's when I had the front tires replaced.) Matt Bader 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Andrews [mailto:emosound@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:28 AM To: 'Matt Bader'; 'E36M3' Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Pat nailed it. Most 245s will fit fine, but some 255s will rub. Stock for the 3.2L car was 225 up front, 235 is close enough. But if you install wider wheels and 245s, the car will understeer less, and it will be easier to tune the car to your liking. I'd leave some understeer in the car, considering the amount of power you have. In your case, you probably will need a spacer up front to clear the stock spring perch on the Bilsteins. I'm running the Turner hub extender and 10mm spacer combo year round so my 255 Yoko Neovas (WIDE) on 17x9 wheels will clear the coilover struts (barely). Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bader [mailto:mbader@exammaster.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:00 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:00:14 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Thanks. My car is definitely 235 front, 245 rear. I just doubled checked, and with the stock wheels. Right now my suspension mods are simply H&R sport springs and Bilstein sport shocks. Suspension is roughly one inch lower than stock. It's like putting pieces of a puzzle together to get everything to work and fit properly! Matt Bader -----Original Message----- From: Goss, Patrick - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:21 AM To: Matt Bader; E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up I'm fairly certain the Stock staggered setup tires are 225 and 245, w/ 235 all around on previous non-staggered s50 M3's. The answer to your question is "it depends". Many folks run 255 on all 4 corners, fitment depends on the specific tire selected, whether all season, street, or race tires. Despite each category being 255, they tend to get wider and the shoulder more square vs rounded. There are also variations between tire manufacturer. Look up the dimension specs in inches, you'll see how different. Running 255 on M3's generally require spacers up front to clear the shock tower, and rolling the rear fenders some. Adding negative camber frt and rear also helps fitment as well....as wheels with adjusted offset works too. I'm currently running the stock ten spokes 17x8.5 with all season 255 at each corner with absolutely no spacer up front. It's a tight fit in my case and I'm at max camber rear with some fender rolling, on the front I have the strut hats switched side to side for free camber as well as the PSS9 coilover kit which may provide some additional clearance, I might be lowered about an inch too, at least up front. Handling neutral or understeer is a question of suspension mods. If still stock and ditching the non-staggered setup your handling will become more neutral:) I'm not sure but I think offering the staggered setup on the later M3's was intentionally done to make the cars more safe for us crappy American drivers :) Patrick 97 M3/4