E36M3 #5546

Thursday, January 17, 2008 17:50:14

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: steering wheel squeak - from Jim Bassett
#2. H&R Group G stock sized springs - from Kirk Lachman
#3. tire rub and staggered set up - from Burgess, Kim L
#4. FS: 2 18" Fikse Profil 10 with damage - from Duncan Burke
#5. Re: License Plate Holder - from Spencer Fong
#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: License Plate Holder - from Jim Bassett
#7. Re: [E36M3] FS: 2 18" Fikse Profil 10 with damage - from Duncan Burke
#8. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Marco Romani
#9. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Azik [hotmail.com]
#10. Re: [E36M3] WTB Suspension - from Shelhart2@aol.com
#11. 13 M-cars in test - from Azik [hotmail.com]

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re:  steering wheel squeak - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:40:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: steering wheel squeak On Thu, January 17, 2008 9:00 am, Tom Yee wrote: > Thanks for the thoughts on lubricating the lower steering column > bushing/bearing at the firewall. I had a mechanic (he has a lift vs me on > my back on the cold, NE ground) douse it with lubricant (WD-40, I know, > not the recommended choice but what he had). Sigh. WD-40 is NOT a lubricant. Follow the tips presented here earlier - using a proper lubricant. Tri-flow is good; I've used the synthetic grease for the clutch pedal bushings with very good success. Also Wurth HHS2000 is a good one; I use that as my spray lubricant around the car. Hope that helps, Jim Bassett

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#2.  H&R Group G stock sized springs - from Kirk Lachman
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:13:15 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Kirk Lachman <admranger@earthlink.net> Subject: <FS> H&R Group G stock sized springs These are the impossible to find H&R group G springs (with required '95 spring hats). I have F&R 100Nm (560 lbs/in) springs for sale. Make me an offer plus shipping from 89144. Used 4 seasons. I also have a set of TC Kline 600 lbs/in rear springs (require a spacer/adjuster for the correct ride height). Again, make me an offer plus shipping from 89144. Used 1 season. Can provide pics upon request. BTW: The supersprint cat back DTM tipped exhaust is still for sale. Entertaining offers. Cheers, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter

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#3. tire rub and staggered set up - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:17:07 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: tire rub and staggered set up Keep in mind also that the front springs and anti-roll bar wear slightly stiffened in MY 1996+ cars This is in addition to the rubber swap. Note that the LWT was offered in 1995 came with 8.5R and 7.5F wheel sizing shod in 235/40 rubber all 'round. 235/40R17s are of slightly smaller overall diameter than 225/45R17s and 245/40R17s in most cases. KLB -------------------- 1 -------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:48:59 -0500 From: Tom Yee <tomgsr@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: tire rub and staggered set up From my own experience on a 97 M3/4, let me share some thoughts. OEM wheels and tires were staggered. Suspension is essentially stock, Bilsteins replacing fromnt struts. I have tried running 235/40-17 (the '95, non-staggered tire size) on 17x8 rims at all corners as well as on 17x7.5 rims at all corners. I would conclude that the understeer is reduced by a small margin, definitely not dramatic. I have also tried to change tire inflations (35 psi cold all around) and this has a greater (though still not dramatic) effect. What I like is a little better balance but mostly the opportunity to rotate tires front to back and even the wear patterns a bit. The 17x8 is a better wheel fitment, but BMW used 17x7.5s in the non-staggered set up. Most tire manufacturers recommend a minimum width of 8" when using 235/40-17 tires, but I haven't had any issues. Oh, for tires, I had Bridgestone RE750 on the 17x8 (decent but not great in wet, about 25k miles tread life and 4/32 left on tread) and Dunlop Sport Maxx on the 17x7.5 (not markedly better in the wet but definitely faster tread wear, 5-6/32 left with less than 8k miles of use!!!) I'd probably go back to RE750s or something else next summer! Hope this is informative!

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#4. FS: 2 18" Fikse Profil 10 with damage - from Duncan Burke
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:33:08 -0800 (PST) From: Duncan Burke <pureone55@yahoo.com> Subject: FS: 2 18" Fikse Profil 10 with damage Gruppe, I have for sale 2 18x9 Fikse Profil 10 wheels. These were built for the rear of an E36 M3. Serial #s F320A89 130217903 and 904 The car (not mine) was involved in an accident and the wheels were damaged when it went over a curb. The damage is slight bending of the wheel lip on one wheel and the outer lip and inner barrel the other. It should be a VERY easy fix for any competent wheel shop. Only selling because I don't own an E36 street car any longer so these don't have a home. The IP car is making me clean all the "rainy day" stuff out of the garage. Detailed pics available. Thanks, Duncan Burke ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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#5. Re: License Plate Holder - from Spencer Fong
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:38:24 +0000 From: sk99m3@comcast.net (Spencer Fong) Subject: Re: License Plate Holder I used the part numbers at the following link for use on my '99 M3: http://www.unofficialbmw.com/e36/exterior/e36_license_plate_mount.html Actually, I ordered the kit at BavAuto, but it's the same parts: > > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:08:37 -0800 (PST) > > From: L R <lhrc51@yahoo.com> > > Subject: License Plate Holder > > > > I'm looking for what BMW calls a "License Plate Holder Front Bumper > > Filler Center" for a '95 M3. I looked everywhere on realoem.com & I > > couldn't find it. I did the same on pelican parts online & nothing. > > I called them directly & they couldn't find it either (they say > > that BMW doesn't list it). Anybody know the part # for this? The > > regular E36 uses a different part, I know because I have it & it's > > slightly different. > > > > TIA, > > > > Luis

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: License Plate Holder - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:59:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: License Plate Holder On Thu, January 17, 2008 1:40 pm, Spencer Fong wrote: > I used the part numbers at the following link for use on my '99 M3: > > http://www.unofficialbmw.com/e36/exterior/e36_license_plate_mount.html Nice - why I didn't think to look there, I don't know :-) FWIW, my earlier description was essentially "Method One" in the above. I don't recall using the "insert nuts" as my front plate install was temporary :-) Jim Bassett

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#7. Re: [E36M3] FS: 2 18" Fikse Profil 10 with damage - from Duncan Burke
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:31:55 -0800 (PST) From: Duncan Burke <pureone55@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] FS: 2 18" Fikse Profil 10 with damage Gruppe, Just realized I didn't include the price! Doh! Asking $600 Thanks all, Duncan --- Duncan Burke <pureone55@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:33:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Duncan Burke <pureone55@yahoo.com> > Subject: FS: 2 18" Fikse Profil 10 with damage > > Gruppe, > I have for sale 2 18x9 Fikse Profil 10 wheels. > These > were built for the rear of an E36 M3. Serial #s > F320A89 130217903 and 904 > > The car (not mine) was involved in an accident and > the > wheels were damaged when it went over a curb. The > damage is slight bending of the wheel lip on one > wheel > and the outer lip and inner barrel the other. > > It should be a VERY easy fix for any competent wheel > shop. > > Only selling because I don't own an E36 street car > any > longer so these don't have a home. The IP car is > making me clean all the "rainy day" stuff out of the > garage. > > Detailed pics available. > > Thanks, > Duncan Burke > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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#8. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]   tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Marco Romani
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:01:38 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up The 94/95 M3 was very neutral with same size wheels and tires all around AS LONG AS YOUR rear toe bushings weren't worn. If they were torn or worn badly the car could snap over steer. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Azik [Hotmail] [mailto:azik@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:27:35 +0100 From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Matt, As I totalled my 1994 M3 with 235 all around - I can say that this setup is too oversteery. That was also confirmed by one of the reacing drivers who tested and compared different M cars as well as two coupe's - 1994 with 235 all around and 1997 with staggered. Even with higher torque the latter model was much more neutral than 1994 M3 and didn't oversteer out of the corner as older model. I now have 1998 on standart staggered and can confirm that its neutral, mey be a bit understeery but just alittle bit. Azar, '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\ Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:44:49 -0500 > From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> > Subject: RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up > > Sorry for the cross post, but I am sure somebody has a good answer for > this. > > I have a question regarding the dynamics of switching from a staggered > wheel/tire set up to the same size wheels/tires at all four corners > for the E36 M3. My 98 M3/4 has the staggered set-up of course, 235's > on front, 245's on back. I believe BMW switched from the 235's on all > four corners for the 95 M3 to the staggered set up on later models to > dial in a bit of understeer. Is that correct? Will the car be more > neutral with the same wheel/rubber all the way around? Are there any > disadvantages to switching from the staggered set up? I was thinking > of going with 245's all the way around since it sounds like 255's may > cause some fitment hassles with some tires. > > Tia, > > Matt Bader > 98 M3/4 > Delaware > > -----Original Message----- > From: bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com > [mailto:bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com] On Behalf Of kkiely@tsmc.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:42 PM > To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > Subject: [UUC] <E36> tire rub > > > Anyone have experience with the Koshei's in 17x8.5 on the E36, 328? > Setup is Koshei's with ET=38mm, shoes are Khomo 255/40's. He's getting > rubbing at the back where the bumper sticks into the well. I haven't > seen it, that's the description I'm getting. Fronts are OK with the > 5mm square shoulder spacers, no spacers in back. > It would seem that we can contour the FRP to get rid of the rubbing, but > I'm just curious if others have run into this. > > > -Kevin > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > TSMC PROPERTY > > This email communication (and any attachments) are confidential and/or > > proprietary information > > for the sole use of its intended recipient. Any unauthorized review, > use > or > > distribution by anyone > > other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. 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#9. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]   tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Azik [hotmail.com]
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:13:36 +0100 From: "Azik [hotmail.com]" <Azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up That might be - I just got the car... but - BMW changed the suspension setup and went to staggered wheels setup - to make the car safer. It's just lack of skills from my and probably many other's side. Here is the test i was talking about. Car magazine 2005, If I am not mistakin' http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-1.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-2.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-3.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-4.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-5.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-6.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-7.jpg Azar '97 528iA and '98 M3 Coupe (oOO \ (||||)(||||) / OOo) Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> To: "'Azik [Hotmail]'" <azik@hotmail.com>; "'E36M3'" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:01 AM Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up The 94/95 M3 was very neutral with same size wheels and tires all around AS LONG AS YOUR rear toe bushings weren't worn. If they were torn or worn badly the car could snap over steer. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Azik [Hotmail] [mailto:azik@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:27:35 +0100 From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Matt, As I totalled my 1994 M3 with 235 all around - I can say that this setup is too oversteery. That was also confirmed by one of the reacing drivers who tested and compared different M cars as well as two coupe's - 1994 with 235 all around and 1997 with staggered. Even with higher torque the latter model was much more neutral than 1994 M3 and didn't oversteer out of the corner as older model. I now have 1998 on standart staggered and can confirm that its neutral, mey be a bit understeery but just alittle bit. Azar, '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\ Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:44:49 -0500 > From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> > Subject: RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up > > Sorry for the cross post, but I am sure somebody has a good answer for > this. > > I have a question regarding the dynamics of switching from a staggered > wheel/tire set up to the same size wheels/tires at all four corners > for the E36 M3. My 98 M3/4 has the staggered set-up of course, 235's > on front, 245's on back. I believe BMW switched from the 235's on all > four corners for the 95 M3 to the staggered set up on later models to > dial in a bit of understeer. Is that correct? Will the car be more > neutral with the same wheel/rubber all the way around? Are there any > disadvantages to switching from the staggered set up? I was thinking > of going with 245's all the way around since it sounds like 255's may > cause some fitment hassles with some tires. > > Tia, > > Matt Bader > 98 M3/4 > Delaware > > -----Original Message----- > From: bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com > [mailto:bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com] On Behalf Of kkiely@tsmc.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:42 PM > To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > Subject: [UUC] <E36> tire rub > > > Anyone have experience with the Koshei's in 17x8.5 on the E36, 328? > Setup is Koshei's with ET=38mm, shoes are Khomo 255/40's. He's getting > rubbing at the back where the bumper sticks into the well. I haven't > seen it, that's the description I'm getting. Fronts are OK with the > 5mm square shoulder spacers, no spacers in back. > It would seem that we can contour the FRP to get rid of the rubbing, but > I'm just curious if others have run into this. > > > -Kevin > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > TSMC PROPERTY > > This email communication (and any attachments) are confidential and/or > > proprietary information > > for the sole use of its intended recipient. Any unauthorized review, > use > or > > distribution by anyone > > other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are > not > > the intended recipient, please > > notify the sender by replying to this email, and then delete this > email > and > > any copies of it immediately. > > Thank you. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ____ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . > http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. 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#10. Re: [E36M3] WTB Suspension - from Shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:41:25 EST From: Shelhart2@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] WTB Suspension I have 4 Bilstein yellows that were on my 95 M3 before I upgraded to the Coil over kit. They aren't "stock" as you indicated but throught I'd let you know. I'd guess they had 30k miles on them. shel **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

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#11. 13 M-cars in test - from Azik [hotmail.com]
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:46:04 +0100 From: "Azik [hotmail.com]" <Azik@hotmail.com> Subject: 13 M-cars in test Another recent test including M3 E92 in British magazine EVO (I have subscription) http://www.v8.com.br/mtest/ Happy reading! Azar '97 528iA and '98 M3 Coupe (oOO \ (||||)(||||) / OOo) Celle, Germany

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