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#1. Free E-36 M3 Exhaust - from Dames, Mark A.
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:01:23 -0800 From: "Dames, Mark A." <mdames@pdo.sccgov.org> Subject: Free E-36 M3 Exhaust Sports Fans, I have need to clear an E36 M3 cat-back exhaust out of my garage. Its from a '98 4 dr. sedan, was in working condition when removed (as in no rattles) and is priced to move quickly, to wit: Asking Price: One six-pack of imports. Location: Redwood City, San Francisco Bay Area. You must pick up. Mark Dames 408 529-3885
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#2. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Marco Romani
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:31:48 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up My 95 US Spec was bought July 94, build date May 94. Too bad it's dead. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jim@jimbassett.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:40 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:35:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up On Thu, January 17, 2008 10:00 am, Mark D wrote: > Am I missing something? Yes, his sig line :-) He's in Germany, hence a Euro-spec car. > I thought E36 M3 was 95-99. In the US. They were available from the beginning of the E36 run (1992) in Europe. Jim Bassett ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 9:01 AM
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#3. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Marco Romani
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:41:22 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up ;-) There is no way BMW officially stated the staggered wheels change was for "safety". If they did I'd have expected a class action law suit filed from an American lawyer against BMW NA in about 1 nanosecond for building an un-safe car. BMW NA's lawyers would have had a stroke if BMW stated anything about safety. I don't have the time to read the article but I do have the time to offer my opinions. ;-) Marco -----Original Message----- From: Azik [hotmail.com] [mailto:Azik@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 3:20 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:13:36 +0100 From: "Azik [hotmail.com]" <Azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up That might be - I just got the car... but - BMW changed the suspension setup and went to staggered wheels setup - to make the car safer. It's just lack of skills from my and probably many other's side. Here is the test i was talking about. Car magazine 2005, If I am not mistakin' http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-1.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-2.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-3.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-4.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-5.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-6.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-7.jpg Azar '97 528iA and '98 M3 Coupe (oOO \ (||||)(||||) / OOo) Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> To: "'Azik [Hotmail]'" <azik@hotmail.com>; "'E36M3'" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:01 AM Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up The 94/95 M3 was very neutral with same size wheels and tires all around AS LONG AS YOUR rear toe bushings weren't worn. If they were torn or worn badly the car could snap over steer. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Azik [Hotmail] [mailto:azik@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:27:35 +0100 From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Matt, As I totalled my 1994 M3 with 235 all around - I can say that this setup is too oversteery. That was also confirmed by one of the reacing drivers who tested and compared different M cars as well as two coupe's - 1994 with 235 all around and 1997 with staggered. Even with higher torque the latter model was much more neutral than 1994 M3 and didn't oversteer out of the corner as older model. I now have 1998 on standart staggered and can confirm that its neutral, mey be a bit understeery but just alittle bit. Azar, '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\ Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:44:49 -0500 > From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> > Subject: RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up > > Sorry for the cross post, but I am sure somebody has a good answer for > this. > > I have a question regarding the dynamics of switching from a staggered > wheel/tire set up to the same size wheels/tires at all four corners > for the E36 M3. My 98 M3/4 has the staggered set-up of course, 235's > on front, 245's on back. I believe BMW switched from the 235's on all > four corners for the 95 M3 to the staggered set up on later models to > dial in a bit of understeer. Is that correct? Will the car be more > neutral with the same wheel/rubber all the way around? Are there any > disadvantages to switching from the staggered set up? I was thinking > of going with 245's all the way around since it sounds like 255's may > cause some fitment hassles with some tires. > > Tia, > > Matt Bader > 98 M3/4 > Delaware > > -----Original Message----- > From: bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com > [mailto:bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com] On Behalf Of kkiely@tsmc.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:42 PM > To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > Subject: [UUC] <E36> tire rub > > > Anyone have experience with the Koshei's in 17x8.5 on the E36, 328? > Setup is Koshei's with ET=38mm, shoes are Khomo 255/40's. He's getting > rubbing at the back where the bumper sticks into the well. I haven't > seen it, that's the description I'm getting. Fronts are OK with the > 5mm square shoulder spacers, no spacers in back. It would seem that we > can contour the FRP to get rid of the rubbing, but I'm just curious if > others have run into this. > > > -Kevin > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > TSMC PROPERTY > > This email communication (and any attachments) are confidential and/or > > proprietary information > > for the sole use of its intended recipient. Any unauthorized review, > use or > > distribution by anyone > > other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are > not > > the intended recipient, please > > notify the sender by replying to this email, and then delete this > email and > > any copies of it immediately. > > Thank you. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ____ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW > CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . > http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. 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#4. Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:36:06 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up In a message dated 1/17/2008 10:30:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, emosound@verizon.net writes: Pat nailed it. Most 245s will fit fine, but some 255s will rub. Matt, Well I'm a little late to this 'party', but Patrick and Paul really did cover it well. I went through this exercise two years ago when I just had to have a set of BBS RGR's in size 18" x 8.5". The problem with e36M3's is the front spacing runs counter to the rear. In other words, in the front you must clear the strut, and in the rear you must stay just inside the fender well lip. I had the rear fenders rolled years ago so I could mount 255-40-17 street tires in the rear for that mean ass look ;-)) My front and rear suspension was pretty much stock-like (Koni SA front, Koni DA rear), so everything cleared with the BBS wheels and Hoosier 245-35-18 'fat' tires though tight up front because the wheel offset is 38mm by design. I switched to TC Kline CO's last year and now have a little more room. All this without spacers. Maybe there will be 255-35-18 in my future too! cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 / 2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & Rogue Engineering **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
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#5. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Azik [Hotmail]
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:12:04 +0100 From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up I never said that that was an official statement. I will citate the tester's (racing driver) words on page 4: 1992-1995 M3 Coupe, Lap time 1 m31.95sec "Quicker than the M3 it replaces. Even so, it feels me feeling cluttered - unless you get it absolutely perfectly balanced entering a corner you're going to need armfuls of opposite lock everywhere. 1995-1999 M3 Coupe Lap time 1m 28.62 sec More power, quicker steering, stronger brakes and new spring and dampers compared to the forst M3 coupe "Pulls like crazy from corners and very comfortable at high speeds. enough torque to avoid messing about with constant gearchanges, so I can concentrate on getting the steering inputs right." Now may be that 92-95 coupe had a worn suspension - that is another question. but mor thyan 3 sec on short lap is a lot of time and mostly won because of better suspension, not really difference in power. Azar, '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\ Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:50 AM Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:41:22 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up ;-) There is no way BMW officially stated the staggered wheels change was for "safety". If they did I'd have expected a class action law suit filed from an American lawyer against BMW NA in about 1 nanosecond for building an un-safe car. BMW NA's lawyers would have had a stroke if BMW stated anything about safety. I don't have the time to read the article but I do have the time to offer my opinions. ;-) Marco -----Original Message----- From: Azik [hotmail.com] [mailto:Azik@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 3:20 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:13:36 +0100 From: "Azik [hotmail.com]" <Azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up That might be - I just got the car... but - BMW changed the suspension setup and went to staggered wheels setup - to make the car safer. It's just lack of skills from my and probably many other's side. Here is the test i was talking about. Car magazine 2005, If I am not mistakin' http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-1.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-2.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-3.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-4.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-5.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-6.jpg http://www.e34.de/e34/m-history/m-history-7.jpg Azar '97 528iA and '98 M3 Coupe (oOO \ (||||)(||||) / OOo) Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> To: "'Azik [Hotmail]'" <azik@hotmail.com>; "'E36M3'" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:01 AM Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up The 94/95 M3 was very neutral with same size wheels and tires all around AS LONG AS YOUR rear toe bushings weren't worn. If they were torn or worn badly the car could snap over steer. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Azik [Hotmail] [mailto:azik@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:30 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:27:35 +0100 From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Matt, As I totalled my 1994 M3 with 235 all around - I can say that this setup is too oversteery. That was also confirmed by one of the reacing drivers who tested and compared different M cars as well as two coupe's - 1994 with 235 all around and 1997 with staggered. Even with higher torque the latter model was much more neutral than 1994 M3 and didn't oversteer out of the corner as older model. I now have 1998 on standart staggered and can confirm that its neutral, mey be a bit understeery but just alittle bit. Azar, '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\ Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:44:49 -0500 > From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> > Subject: RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up > > Sorry for the cross post, but I am sure somebody has a good answer for > this. > > I have a question regarding the dynamics of switching from a staggered > wheel/tire set up to the same size wheels/tires at all four corners > for the E36 M3. My 98 M3/4 has the staggered set-up of course, 235's > on front, 245's on back. I believe BMW switched from the 235's on all > four corners for the 95 M3 to the staggered set up on later models to > dial in a bit of understeer. Is that correct? Will the car be more > neutral with the same wheel/rubber all the way around? Are there any > disadvantages to switching from the staggered set up? I was thinking > of going with 245's all the way around since it sounds like 255's may > cause some fitment hassles with some tires. > > Tia, > > Matt Bader > 98 M3/4 > Delaware > > -----Original Message----- > From: bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com > [mailto:bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.com] On Behalf Of kkiely@tsmc.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:42 PM > To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > Subject: [UUC] <E36> tire rub > > > Anyone have experience with the Koshei's in 17x8.5 on the E36, 328? > Setup is Koshei's with ET=38mm, shoes are Khomo 255/40's. He's getting > rubbing at the back where the bumper sticks into the well. I haven't > seen it, that's the description I'm getting. Fronts are OK with the > 5mm square shoulder spacers, no spacers in back. It would seem that we > can contour the FRP to get rid of the rubbing, but I'm just curious if > others have run into this. > > > -Kevin > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > TSMC PROPERTY > > This email communication (and any attachments) are confidential and/or > > proprietary information > > for the sole use of its intended recipient. Any unauthorized review, > use or > > distribution by anyone > > other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are > not > > the intended recipient, please > > notify the sender by replying to this email, and then delete this > email and > > any copies of it immediately. > > Thank you. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ____ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW > CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . > http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. 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#6. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:19:10 -0500 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up On 1/18/08, Azik [Hotmail] <azik@hotmail.com> wrote: > Now may be that 92-95 coupe had a worn suspension - that is another > question. but mor thyan 3 sec on short lap is a lot of time and mostly won > because of better suspension, not really difference in power. I would point to driver, tires, conditions, etc. I don't trust magazine articles much. Heck even that 5th gear guy Tiff, all he does is drive cars sideways so I don't really put much value in their test times. It is fun to watch though. :-) Carlos 98 M3 245s all around on 8.5 polished/forged stock rims 97 540i/6 235s all around :-)
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#7. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Azik [Hotmail]
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:22:15 +0100 From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Conditions and driver are same. Its a nice article, just read it :) Yeah, tires can make the difference Azar, '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\ Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> To: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> Cc: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up > On 1/18/08, Azik [Hotmail] <azik@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Now may be that 92-95 coupe had a worn suspension - that is another >> question. but mor thyan 3 sec on short lap is a lot of time and mostly >> won >> because of better suspension, not really difference in power. > > I would point to driver, tires, conditions, etc. I don't trust > magazine articles much. Heck even that 5th gear guy Tiff, all he does > is drive cars sideways so I don't really put much value in their test > times. It is fun to watch though. :-) > > Carlos > 98 M3 245s all around on 8.5 polished/forged stock rims > 97 540i/6 235s all around :-) >
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#8. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:54:38 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up In a message dated 1/17/2008 8:50:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, marco@corsa-na.com writes: There is no way BMW officially stated the staggered wheels change was for "safety". If they did I'd have expected a class action law suit filed from an American lawyer against BMW NA in about 1 nanosecond for building an un-safe car. BMW NA's lawyers would have had a stroke if BMW stated anything about safety. Maybe, but I knew a "test driver" for BMW back in the 1995-1997 period who told me the staggered wheels were the result of too many stupid drivers wrapping their 1995 M3's around poles! I guess the auto industry marketeers call that a performance enhancement not a safety issue ;-)) cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 / 2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & Rogue Engineering **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
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#9. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Matt Bader
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:04:48 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Yes, it is all in how you word things! Just ask the candidates running for office right now. Anybody tired of hearing all of their spin? Matt Bader -----Original Message----- From: Mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:Mdriver13@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:00 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:54:38 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up In a message dated 1/17/2008 8:50:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, marco@corsa-na.com writes: There is no way BMW officially stated the staggered wheels change was for "safety". If they did I'd have expected a class action law suit filed from an American lawyer against BMW NA in about 1 nanosecond for building an un-safe car. BMW NA's lawyers would have had a stroke if BMW stated anything about safety. Maybe, but I knew a "test driver" for BMW back in the 1995-1997 period who told me the staggered wheels were the result of too many stupid drivers wrapping their 1995 M3's around poles! I guess the auto industry marketeers call that a performance enhancement not a safety issue ;-)) cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 / 2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & Rogue Engineering **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC]tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up - from Jeff Conner
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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:23:36 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RE: [UUC] <E36> tire rub; OT staggered wheel set-up I'm sure it makes sense, from the standpoint of the average American driver. Obviously you, Bob, don't fit into that mold, nor does Marco, but I witness enough idiocy on a daily basis to warrant having cars made to purposefully understeer. Indeed, staggering the wheel setup likely WAS done as a safety enhancement. That's just something they'd never admit to publicly, for reasons Marco alluded to. -jeff S52 Sedan S50 Trackdog both with dangerous, non-staggered wheels ;-) ----- Original Message ---- From: "Mdriver13@aol.com" <Mdriver13@aol.com> Maybe, but I knew a "test driver" for BMW back in the 1995-1997 period who told me the staggered wheels were the result of too many stupid drivers wrapping their 1995 M3's around poles! I guess the auto industry marketeers call that a performance enhancement not a safety issue ;-)) cheers, Bob Gill ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ